Comments on: Elephants Dream on Microsoft.com http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/ Fresh Blender News, Every Day Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:20:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: n4cer http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-166198 n4cer Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:52:58 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-166198 Hey guys. While ED wasn't credited on MS Downloads, it was credited in a blog post by the guy who put it there. Ben Waggoner, a once independent compressionist and more recently, a member of the Windows Media team, originally posted about ED here: http://on10.net/Blogs/benwagg/elephants-dream-sample/ He later followed up with these posts: http://on10.net/Blogs/benwagg/elephants-dream-720p--2-mbps/ http://on10.net/Blogs/benwagg/elephants-dream-720p--2-mbps-file-now-posted/ http://on10.net/Blogs/benwagg/encoding-for-the-zune/ Hey guys.
While ED wasn't credited on MS Downloads, it was credited in a blog post by the guy who put it there. Ben Waggoner, a once independent compressionist and more recently, a member of the Windows Media team, originally posted about ED here:
http://on10.net/Blogs/benwagg/elephants-dream-sample/

He later followed up with these posts:
http://on10.net/Blogs/benwagg/elephants-dream-720p–2-mbps/
http://on10.net/Blogs/benwagg/elephants-dream-720p–2-mbps-file-now-posted/
http://on10.net/Blogs/benwagg/encoding-for-the-zune/

]]> By: Bart http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-165173 Bart Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:09:27 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-165173 @jmh1, superkoop: thanks for your comments. I was hoping the discussion would head that way but, alas, it ended up in the predictable Microsoft bashing once again ;-) @jmh1, superkoop: thanks for your comments. I was hoping the discussion would head that way but, alas, it ended up in the predictable Microsoft bashing once again ;-)

]]> By: Lord Thaddius http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-165105 Lord Thaddius Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:21:32 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-165105 Ok, think about it. Microsoft is advertising Elephants Dream and Blender for free .. yeah, they don't give direct credit to the software or the makers, but if people are interested in finding out more they're going to google it anyway. So what's the big deal? Yes, MS is using ED for their own purposes ... why wouldn't they? Not exactly innovative, but a smart move. It's really a win-win situation. They get a free video to play and the community and ED get free advertising. What, did you expect MS to put links all over their page, maybe with a large banner saying 'BLENDER ROCKS!!" or something? Realistically, they left the video generally intact and that's all they need to do. Ok, think about it. Microsoft is advertising Elephants Dream and Blender for free .. yeah, they don't give direct credit to the software or the makers, but if people are interested in finding out more they're going to google it anyway. So what's the big deal? Yes, MS is using ED for their own purposes … why wouldn't they? Not exactly innovative, but a smart move. It's really a win-win situation. They get a free video to play and the community and ED get free advertising. What, did you expect MS to put links all over their page, maybe with a large banner saying 'BLENDER ROCKS!!" or something? Realistically, they left the video generally intact and that's all they need to do.

]]> By: jmh1 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-165019 jmh1 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:36:21 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-165019 "And after all the movie is licensed under one of the most liberal licenses out there, so people can do what they want with it. That includes Microsoft too, no matter how much you hate it. So I think we should just be happy that more people will see the movie, hear about blender, open source apps, etc. Grumbling about it among our selves serves no purpose." @superkoop I agree and besides shouldn't all this Anti-Microsoft rhetoric best be left to the Ubuntu forums? "And after all the movie is licensed under one of the most liberal licenses out there, so people can do what they want with it. That includes Microsoft too, no matter how much you hate it.
So I think we should just be happy that more people will see the movie, hear about blender, open source apps, etc. Grumbling about it among our selves serves no purpose."

@superkoop

I agree and besides shouldn't all this Anti-Microsoft rhetoric best be left to the Ubuntu forums?

]]> By: superkoop http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164747 superkoop Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:56:26 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164747 Personally, I think the codec is fairly nice. It was a small file, and the quality was pretty good. A couple frames were damaged slightly, but considering how small it got, that's not too bad. This was actually the first time I have been able to DL Elephant's Dream since my Internet is too slow to DL the ones from the elephantsdream.org, since they are so large files. And my computer refuses to run Quicktime at all in any program. And about Orange team not getting credited, well anyone that would watch the movie would see the credits, and there is plenty info there. And if the people wouldn't read what is in the credits, I doubt they would read what is on microsoft.com for learning about the movie. And after all the movie is licensed under one of the most liberal licenses out there, so people can do what they want with it. That includes Microsoft too, no matter how much you hate it. So I think we should just be happy that more people will see the movie, hear about blender, open source apps, etc. Grumbling about it among our selves serves no purpose. Personally, I think the codec is fairly nice. It was a small file, and the quality was pretty good. A couple frames were damaged slightly, but considering how small it got, that's not too bad. This was actually the first time I have been able to DL Elephant's Dream since my Internet is too slow to DL the ones from the elephantsdream.org, since they are so large files. And my computer refuses to run Quicktime at all in any program.

And about Orange team not getting credited, well anyone that would watch the movie would see the credits, and there is plenty info there. And if the people wouldn't read what is in the credits, I doubt they would read what is on microsoft.com for learning about the movie.

And after all the movie is licensed under one of the most liberal licenses out there, so people can do what they want with it. That includes Microsoft too, no matter how much you hate it.
So I think we should just be happy that more people will see the movie, hear about blender, open source apps, etc. Grumbling about it among our selves serves no purpose.

]]> By: STaRMaN http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164652 STaRMaN Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:47:14 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164652 TKR101010 : The links to http://www.elephantsdream.org/ are not in these page yet... I think they are not going to put them.. :/ TKR101010 : The links to http://www.elephantsdream.org/ are not in these page yet…
I think they are not going to put them.. :/

]]> By: JD-Multi http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164645 JD-Multi Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:40:13 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164645 Adobe has even blender mentioned in there official documentation. I think they talk about 3D product visualisation inside flash with pre-renders from blender and even point to blender.org to download it. I found that somewhere this week when I was working on a flash application. Adobe has even blender mentioned in there official documentation. I think they talk about 3D product visualisation inside flash with pre-renders from blender and even point to blender.org to download it. I found that somewhere this week when I was working on a flash application.

]]> By: TKR101010 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164573 TKR101010 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:02:28 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164573 charly, mpl, and others: I wrote to Microsoft to complain about them not giving credits to the people who made Elephant's Dream and not putting a link to Elephant's Dream's website. Here was their reply ... "Hello, Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. I understand that http://www.elephantsdream.org/ should be credited for their work on the videos that are distributed on the following pages: 1. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=270AEF06-4CA5-4E0C-A116-F7FA721BD6BE&displaylang=en 2. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=522cde5b-68ad-4d79-a446-a25c2e126e24&DisplayLang=en We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you. I am currently working with my colleagues to resolve your issue. As soon as one of my resources replies, I will forward the information to you. Typically, we hear from them in 24 to 72 hours, depending on the complexity of the issue." So they should be credited soon I would think. :) charly, mpl, and others:

I wrote to Microsoft to complain about them not giving credits to the people who made Elephant's Dream and not putting a link to Elephant's Dream's website. Here was their reply …

"Hello,

Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service.

I understand that http://www.elephantsdream.org/ should be credited for their work on the videos that are distributed on the following pages:

1. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=270AEF06-4CA5-4E0C-A116-F7FA721BD6BE&displaylang=en

2. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=522cde5b-68ad-4d79-a446-a25c2e126e24&DisplayLang=en

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you.

I am currently working with my colleagues to resolve your issue. As soon as one of my resources replies, I will forward the information to you. Typically, we hear from them in 24 to 72 hours, depending on the complexity of the issue."

So they should be credited soon I would think. :)

]]> By: ysvry http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164534 ysvry Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:52:12 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164534 trust them, they gave us compression that leaded to the divx standard. for me microsoft stands for quality. And for the people who dont wanna pay them ? they can use the pirated stuff. so whats the problem? Get over that mac hype and stop whyning :P trust them, they gave us compression that leaded to the divx standard.
for me microsoft stands for quality. And for the people who dont wanna pay them ? they can use the pirated stuff. so whats the problem? Get over that mac hype and stop whyning :P

]]> By: RNS http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164523 RNS Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:34:32 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2007/09/27/elephants-dream-on-microsoftcom/#comment-164523 Do not trust Microsof! Do not trust Microsof!

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