Comments on: RealFlow Information Booklet and T-shirt http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/ Fresh Blender News, Every Day Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:52:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: varomix http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8270 varomix Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:43:38 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8270 I have one, a nice blue realflow/blender t-shirt I have one, a nice blue realflow/blender t-shirt

]]> By: Calvin http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8247 Calvin Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:30:05 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8247 Wow, you guys are "still" talking... Get a life! Wow, you guys are "still" talking… Get a life!

]]> By: joeedh http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8235 joeedh Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:17:19 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8235 Groo: hay you're right! cool. So. No Open Content violation, no problems. Groo: hay you're right! cool.

So. No Open Content violation, no problems.

]]> By: Groo http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8228 Groo Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:13:24 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8228 If you read the actual text used in the design/script, you'll note that even the comments from the script are included. These are the comments that describe what the script is: "Demo Script for Blender Manual". That could *easily* be construed as credit/attribution and therefore this is NOT at GPL violation. The BF has not been harmed and there is no "card to play" with the Realflow people. This was a graphic designer's mistake. And a funny one. But that's all. There's no angle to play here... and even if there were an angle to play, it would be a counterproductive move that no one would want to comply with. If you read the actual text used in the design/script, you'll note that even the comments from the script are included. These are the comments that describe what the script is: "Demo Script for Blender Manual". That could *easily* be construed as credit/attribution and therefore this is NOT at GPL violation. The BF has not been harmed and there is no "card to play" with the Realflow people.

This was a graphic designer's mistake. And a funny one. But that's all. There's no angle to play here… and even if there were an angle to play, it would be a counterproductive move that no one would want to comply with.

]]> By: Steven Brown http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8216 Steven Brown Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:30:46 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8216 This thread is getting way stupid. It was a mistake, and they're obviously rather sorry about it, and it's not like they're continuing to make more shirts regardless. Leave it be. This thread is getting way stupid. It was a mistake, and they're obviously rather sorry about it, and it's not like they're continuing to make more shirts regardless. Leave it be.

]]> By: rcas http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8215 rcas Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:42:09 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8215 1. Next Limit will only want to know about Blender when Big Studios ask for it. 2. Next Limit doesn't care about the T-Shirt, they have lawyers to deal with this sort of things and it was given for free. The only thing they would do would be a public announcement giving credit to the author and some appologies. 3. It was already posted on CGTalk as a funny thing. 4. Next Limit doesn't like Blender because it has Fluids for free .... -- Rui -- 1. Next Limit will only want to know about Blender when Big Studios ask for it.
2. Next Limit doesn't care about the T-Shirt, they have lawyers to deal with this sort of things and it was given for free. The only thing they would do would be a public announcement giving credit to the author and some appologies.
3. It was already posted on CGTalk as a funny thing.
4. Next Limit doesn't like Blender because it has Fluids for free ….

– Rui –

]]> By: Dani http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8211 Dani Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:09:53 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8211 Hello, This is a fun situation indeed ^^. Although I understand the both-win situation where Gunnar would like to see this end to, I just simply doubt that the NextLimit guys and the BlenderFoundation can come to some cooperation of some sort. It would be a nice thing to see, yes! I simply doubt it's feasible. But maybe could Ton Roosendaal acheive this (he seems to have magical capacities after all!) ^^ And I also disagree about posting this on cgtalk. It wouldn't be nice for a lot of people. Dani Hello,

This is a fun situation indeed ^^. Although I understand the both-win situation where Gunnar would like to see this end to, I just simply doubt that the NextLimit guys and the BlenderFoundation can come to some cooperation of some sort. It would be a nice thing to see, yes! I simply doubt it's feasible. But maybe could Ton Roosendaal acheive this (he seems to have magical capacities after all!) ^^

And I also disagree about posting this on cgtalk. It wouldn't be nice for a lot of people.

Dani

]]> By: joeedh http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8210 joeedh Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:02:28 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8210 Gunner: realflow wouldn't see it as a fun way to get out. They'd see it as exactly like it is: an attempt to extort free publicity. it's stupid and wrong. and the BF will never go for it. joeedh Gunner: realflow wouldn't see it as a fun way to get out. They'd see it as exactly like it is: an attempt to extort free publicity.

it's stupid and wrong. and the BF will never go for it.

joeedh

]]> By: Gunnar Stahl http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8208 Gunnar Stahl Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:06:46 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8208 @joeedh Right and wrong. The script is part of the manual and does not state anything like a gpl note. Therefore: You are right, the script seems not to be gpl'ed. Wrong, because this doesnt change the situation. The manual is licences under the open content licence. So from the legal laymans point of view speaking, they are allowed to use the content of the manual, provided that they stick to the restrictions of the ocl. Take a look at the ocl here: http://download.blender.org/documentation/htmlII/a11911.html#appendix_licenses_ocl Section 2 states what they should have done to comply. Now why I am saying this? This whole discussion is in no way about revenge or pointing the "you're stupid suckaz" finger at them. It is much more about this door that opened up in front of us. The chance which suddenly apeared right in front of us. Something we might have wanted to come for a long, long time. And this chance, this door, is about promoting blender. So, take a walk to the Next Limit guys and knock on their door. Show them the shirt and offer them a fun way out. Something like a nice little marketing video, done with realflow _and_ blender. Showing how good both products are. Just be cool about it. Tell them that _we_ are cool about this shirt. And we think that this shirt (as Durchie stated) might have some reality forecasting abilities. That blender and realflow, as different as they are, can be combined for doing high end cg. And turn this into a situation where there is no loser. No one needs to lose his face on this thing. And for the idea of posting this at cgtalk: This is in my opinion _veeeeeeerryyyyy_ counterproductive. This would just show that we have not matured yet. Yes, it might be some fun for the moment. But what would be the outcome? Would people take blender more serious then? Guess not. Being taken serious comes from acting serious. Yt, Gunnar @joeedh
Right and wrong. The script is part of the manual and does not state anything like a gpl note. Therefore: You are right, the script seems not to be gpl'ed.
Wrong, because this doesnt change the situation. The manual is licences under the open content licence. So from the legal laymans point of view speaking, they are allowed to use the content of the manual, provided that they stick to the restrictions of the ocl. Take a look at the ocl here: http://download.blender.org/documentation/htmlII/a11911.html#appendix_licenses_ocl
Section 2 states what they should have done to comply.

Now why I am saying this? This whole discussion is in no way about revenge or pointing the "you're stupid suckaz" finger at them. It is much more about this door that opened up in front of us. The chance which suddenly apeared right in front of us. Something we might have wanted to come for a long, long time. And this chance, this door, is about promoting blender.

So, take a walk to the Next Limit guys and knock on their door. Show them the shirt and offer them a fun way out. Something like a nice little marketing video, done with realflow _and_ blender. Showing how good both products are. Just be cool about it. Tell them that _we_ are cool about this shirt. And we think that this shirt (as Durchie stated) might have some reality forecasting abilities. That blender and realflow, as different as they are, can be combined for doing high end cg. And turn this into a situation where there is no loser. No one needs to lose his face on this thing.

And for the idea of posting this at cgtalk: This is in my opinion _veeeeeeerryyyyy_ counterproductive. This would just show that we have not matured yet. Yes, it might be some fun for the moment. But what would be the outcome? Would people take blender more serious then? Guess not. Being taken serious comes from acting serious.

Yt,

Gunnar

]]> By: joeedh http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8203 joeedh Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:20:23 +0000 http://www.blendernation.com/2006/08/08/realflow-information-booklet-and-t-shirt/#comment-8203 btw, even if the script *was* GPL complaining and taking legal action, just because realflow put it on a shirt they gave out for *free*, would be utterly stupid and idiotic. Joe btw, even if the script *was* GPL complaining and taking legal action, just because realflow put it on a shirt they gave out for *free*, would be utterly stupid and idiotic.

Joe

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